Monday, October 06, 2008

Veep, Veep Veep, Veep

Finally, my notes on the VP debates. I know it's been, what 4 days, but I can't help that I left my flash drive at work over the weekend. Okay, so I can help it, but don't judge! My comments are in bold


palin comes out wearing a black shiny power suit, looking good
biden is wearing a black suit, white collared shirt, light blue/purple tie

can I call you Joe? hah, that is funny

first question out of the gate and biden does pretty good in keeping it short sweet and to the point.

Best or Worst of Washington?

teleprompter for palin? Staring straight ahead, camera angle trying to move, but she’s stuck. Nervous/Anxious maybe?

palin looked at Biden in her first official rebuttal to bidens answer for How to reduce polarization in Washington? did she really answer the question or just attack obama?

mccain’s votes being non-party line? majority? send maverick to the senate for something new; new energy included. what?

predator lenders – deception, greed, corruption on Wall Street, commitment from palin/mccain; commit ourselves, joe six pack, hockey moms, never again will we be exploited by those taking our money; demand from govt, strict oversight; not get ourselves in debt, live within our means, personal responsibility though not peoples fault for the current state of the economy but never again will we be taken advantage of. ~ liked this response, however, not sure how it answers the question or solves anything.

mccain surprised by subprime rate problem per Biden

deregulate was mccain’s response to beginning recession, Wall Street would/could regulate itself; mccain called for deregulation more than 20 times; deregulation was the promise

(palin smiling the whole time like she swallowed the canary)

looks at Biden when responding again

quotes Biden voted for largest tax increase; Obama had 94 chances to decrease or reject tax increase; govt needs to learn to be more efficient and use what they’ve got; no more tax increase but relief instead; relief for middle class and increasing would kill jobs ~ can someone please explain how increasing taxes would decrease jobs? understand payroll tax might have a slight effect on this, but what other way?

477 to raise taxes = mccain
supported deregulation over and over again ~ which is true since he’s of the no more Big Brother camp, if only in theory

mayor/governor experience sited = reduced taxes, eliminated personal property taxes, reduced state fuel tax and one other one didn’t catch ~ they (Alaska) are one of the POOREST STATES

taxes = biden wants to raise taxes on those earning more than $250,000 a year, palin wants to reduce payroll tax

obama will not raise taxes on middle income, those making less than $150k will get a tax break; biden calls this fair; 300 billion of tax relief to super wealthy = mccain, pay no more than they did under regan

espoused said palin ~ she using LOTS of big words, why now?

looking at biden when rebutting again

again sites tax increases would cut jobs

patriotic to relieve burden on middle income families where palin and her husband have been all their lives? ~ what? did she really just bring that damned word out in conjunction with raising taxes?

Why are your tax policies not “class warfare”?

Health care

$5,000 health care credit so people could buy into their own policy says palin

(i missed the transition, if there was one, apparently) biden rebuttal redistribution doesn’t mean giving Exxon mobile another $4billion tax increase but fairness; small businesses would not get an increase in taxes if make less than $250,000 a year

health care via biden talking to the viewers and audience using 1st person
$12,000 plan via your employer so $5,000 check won’t pay for even half – called it “ultimate bridge to nowhere” ~ that was an awesome zing, did you see the look on her face?

What promises have you and your campaign made to the American people that you will not be able to keep?

forward with tax cut proposals of john mccain
slow down something I didn’t hear all of
eliminate over-spending
$100billion tax dodge-unpatriotic ~ again, how?

nice thing about running with mccain is he doesn’t tell things to one group and something else to another group ~ UH, yeah he does, quite frequently actually. Seriously, what’s up with the attacks?

energy plan obama voted for gave oil companies big tax breaks
she had to take on those oil companies and tell them no, it wasn’t going to happen in her state – bless their hearts they had to do what they had to do as CEOs but they’re not her biggest fans; she had to turn around and undo what obama had voted for with regards to the energy bill ~ now proven wrong by

(palin is more comfortable now but still smirky, a little unnerving even)

palin hasn’t promised much because she’s only done this for 5 weeks except to stop corruption on wall street ~ that’s because she doesn’t even know which newspapers/magazines she reads so she can’t read her response in the news
of course neither will be able to keep many promises if Congress won’t let them hence the system of checks and balances people!

$4 billion in tax cuts for Exxon mobiles of the world that have already make $6 million dollars since 2001 ~ yeah, what’s up with the record profits despite gouging, gas prices that have tripled, etc?

palin said something about do for all of us Americans give us 1000 for all the money the oil companies have made ~ i have no idea

(palin is writing and smirking again, so much for a poker face; somewhere at this point she winked, what was that about?)

Last year congress passed a bill that would make it harder for people who declare bankruptcy to write off credit card debt…

palin says so much has changed since mccain initially voted for this bill that yes, at the time she would have voted for it then, but not now and that we needed to thank mccain for warning us – somehow got off topic and is still talking about wall street vs main street

biden voted for bill, obama against: mortgage holders pay the price, 10% of people who have been affected disagreed on this subject; obama pointed out 2 years ago there was a subprime crisis; mccain quoted as being surprised

now: allowing bankruptcy courts to adjust interest/principle owed in order to keep people in their homes and banks will still get paid; mccain/palin against this ~ good idea!

she disagrees: record on energy vs bidens record: 2005 when we talk about energy we have to talk about the need to do everything we can to make this nation less dependent on foreign countries to produce oil for us

she’s from Alaska where gas/oil pipelines are a HUGE moneymaker and her local economy depends on it ~ $1,500 or $2,000 check residents of Alaska see each month?

energy independence is the key to Americas future ~ am shocked this came out of palin’s mouth being as the repubs still do not want to acknowledge global warming is a problem
Climate Change

causes: nations only artic state and being governor of it; not one to attribute every activity of man to global warming; acknowledges there are real changes going on in the climate but wants to argue more about how to fix it and get other countries/nations on board to being fixing it; formed first sub-cabinet devoted solely to climate change ~ not a popular republican stance, i’ll say that

of course it’s a HUGE deal in her state with the large Inuit population and so much permafrost water lines can’t even be installed unless the various tribes come up with millions of dollars

biden- thinks its man made; if we don’t understand what cause is virtually impossible to come up with a solution

3% of oil reserves, control 5% of oil in the world ~ hardly a majority leaving us with almost no bargaining power at all

mccain has voted against funding research for alternative energy resources whereas obama believes in clean coal (no such thing thank god biden agrees) wind energy, etc., believes in investing in clean coal (again, no such thing); mccain believes in drilling, drilling, drilling; mccain voted against energy resources more than 20 times

palin says chant is “drill baby drill” and they hear it across their campaign trail ~ rolling eyes smiley here

$40billion gas pipeline!!! Can we say ecological disaster waiting to happen?!

palin says biden says no to everything to find a solution for energy crisis and sites drilling in artic wildlife refuge ~ which is a big freakin duh

quotes biden as saying there isn’t anything as clean coal but yet is going on record as believing in it ~ because he’s backing up his president you idiot, something you should know LOTS about since that’s all you seem to know how to do, i.e. kiss mccain’s ass

(gwen is doing a beautiful job in light of palin not really answering much, btw)

Same-Sex Couples

biden said from a legal civil standpoint – constitutional rights should be extended to same-sex couples because “it is only fair” – committed couples in same-sex relationships should be granted the same rights as heterosexual couples

palin brought up “traditional definition” of marriage, says she’s tolerant, has a very diverse family and group of friends, some very dear friends who don’t agree with her on this issue, mccain doesn’t propose disallowing (which is not a real word, just so y’all know); don’t support defining marriage as anything other than man + woman

avoiding nuisance ~ i have no idea what i meant by this; i think i meant nuance?

both don’t support gay marriage but do support civil unions, leaving final decision to states, churches, etc., both agree there shouldn’t be any difference in civil rights for gay/hetero couples ~ wow did she get backed into that answer or what? go ifill!

Sons in Iraq - Exit Strategy ~ yes, we know her oldest child is now getting shipped off to fight this stupid “war”, we’ve heard a lot about it

mccain/palin have a good plan ~ SURGE ahead, I think not

General Patrius/McCain; other ticket opposed surge and funding troops in Afghanistan/Iraq ~ because they know we no longer have the capability, it’s really hard to get people to sign up to “defend our country” when they know where they’ll be going

Don’t need early withdrawal, can’t afford to lose there or we won’t win in Afghanistan either; down to pre-surge numbers now and can grow our military, can’t afford to lose against al-Qaida or extremists ~ has since been proven wrong by, we are nowhere close to our pre-surge numbers, being way over and all that

Obama has offered clear plan, shift leadership to Iraqis over the next 6 months ~ a plan i fully support

Not funding troops: mccain voted same way because it had a timeline in it, which he disagrees with; obama/biden agree there needs to be a timeline to draw down the troops and get Iraq on its on 2 feet and under their own responsibility

mccain no end in site for this “war”; obama/biden state adamantly they will end this war

palin calls it a “white plan of surrender” and that’s not what our troops need to hear today; we’ll know when we are finished in Iraq when the Iraqi people can take care of themselves ~ how does she propose to obtain this goal if we don’t help them and instead only surge ahead? seriously? and white plan of surrender? egh.

palin brought up biden’s statement obama was not ready to be Commander in Chief ~ and I’m sure he still doesn’t which is why biden rebutted with obama choosing him because biden is not afraid to say what’s on his mind, therefore honesty and openness will be there, which is not there with this current administration

Palin: Anyone who can cut off funding for troops, that’s another story ~ seriously, what’s up with the attacking? that was cutting it close to the personal mark.

Biden: John McCain voted to cut off funding of the troops, how many times do I have to say it? ~ I loved that statement simply because it showed he’s getting the point in but she’s either not listening to him or not caring since it’s not on her notecards

“God love him but he’s been dead wrong on the fundamentals of the war” ~ yeah, that’s a direct quote

Nuclear Iran or Unstable Pakistan: which is worse?

Pakistan already has nuclear weapons and deployed them; Iran getting any nukes would create extreme instability but they haven’t obtained any yet ~ yeah, she mispronounce nuclear several times

Building schools, etc., in order to educate and build their minds so extremism will stop taking hold

Central war on terror being in Iraq?

She states an armed Iran with nukes would be extremely dangerous, Israel would be at extreme danger ~ here’s the Israel plug!

palin brought up obama’s willingness to meet with dangerous leaders without preconditions and they should not be met with without preconditions ~ seriously? This is laughable and clearly biden agrees with me

Kissinger’s passion for diplomacy – dictators who hate America and hate our progressivism – can’t just sit down on a level, it’s very dangerous, diplomacy is hard work by serious people; sanctions in place before any something I lost it

Biden cleared it up that obama didn’t say he’d meet with dangerous leaders without preconditions ~ in fact, since I watched the prez debates and thought this was funny, obama said preconditions are different then precautions, which obama seems to fully understand the difference but not mccain since he keeps using the word over and over again

Administration to sit down and talk with adversary – how can you come to agreement without this step asks biden.

mccain wouldn’t even sit down with the government of Spain despite them being our ally in the war in Iraq right now ~ haha, I’m glad he brought this up

C. Rice brought up for the first time, surprisingly. Where has she been anyway?

never allow a 2nd holocaust ~ what? Will support Israel, building an embassy in Jerusalem. Gotta be a commitment in the administration to work with friends in Israel ~ again, what? again proven false by

biden is better friend to Israel?

abject failure of this administration with regard to Israel, Hamas won despite warnings from biden/obama in elections on west bank, now Hezbollah taking charge

will change this policy with thoughtful live policy that will let them know they stand with them. ~ what? this makes no sense and I wrote what she said

palin is encouraged to know they both love Israel and is glad they both can agree on that ~ wow, can she stop kissing his ass?

palin acknowledges there have been huge blunders in the war, with foreign policy, etc., as there is in any administration but obama/biden ticket has been spending too much time pointing fingers backwards for a ticket that talks a lot of change ~ seriously, that was a quick flip!

biden asks how mccains policy is going to be different than Bush’s ~ can I smack him now? Lol then adds Says so far it’s all the same as george bush’s (it’s the ‘s on the end of bush that’s grating my nerves)

biden stated surge principles need to be implemented in Afghanistan also which is different than bush’s policy

Obama said all we’re doing is air raiding families, homes, etc, instead of affecting change; palin says that’s not true ‘cause we are building schools there, too

palin said surge principles used in Afghanistan will not work there – commanding general of Afghanistan said that. Also said needs to spend more money on infrastructure ~ duh ~ and rebuilding, not targeting “terrorists” ~ so I wonder how long she’ll last in an administration that very clearly believes the opposite; are they going to expect her to sit pretty and be seen, not heard?

6 years in Afghanistan and still no progress worth noting I say!!

Nuclear test ban treaty – mccain opposed

Biden doing well with keeping answers short

Tooooooo much time on Afghanistan though it is important, just cycling same information- move on already

Stomach for success? Biden recommending tactic used on Bosnia: exactly! You knew things were sucking so you quietly did something about it, covering it in the news.

Sending troops to Darfur? HELL YES! We should have done that years ago. Stop this genocide!!

Palin – again “Washington outsider” and not used to the way they work ~ I’m not sure how we’re supposed to take that because it seems to be a passive aggressive attempt at poking politicians in general but maybe even self-deprecating?

She’s got a point in the “I was for it before I was against it” though obama has been against it from the beginning ~ the war

Both agree on Darfur also – no fly zone, US in position to help, Alaska rich in natural resources has WHAT to do with darfur exactly? Oh, related to monies somehow being linked to what is happening in Darfur since they are rich in natural resources like Alaska is ~ still a far reach but not all bad

Should a line be drawn? I think yes, and Biden agrees. It’s been happening for way too long so the line should have already been drawn, war crimes are being committed!

john mccain knows how to win a war: he was a POW, not a general, so how will he win it?

On to the one of them dying: obama getting assassinated, mccain having a stroke or recurrence of cancer

Not gonna agree 100% on anything, gonna keep pushing him on ANWR though, mccain doesn’t ask her to check her opinions at the door ~ don’t be so sure lady, look what happened to powell and a few other veeps who were only asked to be a part of the ticket for really crappy reasons that will shine after your in the house – and really, can she put the ‘gs’ on the end of any words?

Middle class has gotten short end – um, what about poor people ‘cause I’d say they got the even shorter end. Still..

She has a sense of humor for realz especially when giving props to a 3rd grade class who now get extra credit for watching

America needs to put more focus on education, teachers need to be paid more, family of teachers she comes from, no child left behind is not doing the job ~ amen! More emphasis on teaching ~ amen! Her kids are in public schools and she’s worried about where they’re going in terms of educations, it’s been lax lately and need to improve it.

Reform, energy independence, families of kids with special needs – that’s where she would lead besides heading the senate. ~ wow, I’d like to be a fly on the wall with her and her repub peeps about those statements considering that’s not what they go for either

Biden – history of getting things done in senate, record shows that, point person for legislative work in congress, no portfolio, he’ll be sitting in room of all major decision in order to give sound advice; biden has lots of opinions and isn’t afraid to share them which is why obama choose him

Lots of flexibility as VP for house/senate

Article 1 of constitution defines VP role in White House – cheney took it to another level; VP doesn’t need to preside over senate until there is a tie vote and only needs to cast a vote at this time; privatized power of Unitarian congress?

Biden lacks discipline and he states extreme passion; violence against women act mccain voted against both times; was single parent when his wife died and worried about his kids surviving, dad/mom had to leave him in SC while they figured out how money worked; biden getting very passionate when talking about folks sitting around a kitchen table and they are looking for help, not more of the same

Palin lacks experience – mayor, business owner, oil/gas regulator, governor of huge energy producing state; connection to heartland of America, i.e. mom of special needs child, son in Iraq, hasn’t always had health insurance so knows what it’s like to be in that position, world view she shares with John McCain; beacon of hope and unapologetic here, unperfect as a nation but represent tolerance, democracy, etc.

Palin rebuts with yes, they are looking for more change which is why mccain is the one they should vote for; take on her party when she has to, whatever it takes to get the job done; all of us who come from a diverse background of policy but cited Romney, guilinia, leiberman, et al. What?! How are they diverse exactly? Romney’s speech at the convention was chock full of hate, intolerance and ignorance!

Palin believes “Change is coming and we are the leaders of that reform”

Not a maverick when it comes to education, war, or anything that generally effects the things people talk about around the kitchen table and gives lots of real life examples.

Forced to change your mind about a long held view in order to get bill passed: biden could actually cite an example from his many many years as a senator, palin drew a blank. Surprise!

Mccain brings people together? Burned bridges baby! He has left a lot of them behind him which is why he had absolutely no sway with regards to the bail out bill.

Closing statements that I mostly ignored and please, someone tell her to stop using the word maverick so much!

Wow, much livelier than the presidential debate last Friday because both were tenacious and not afraid to speak up – though mccain did take up a lot of the time.

Palin lost weight? Or is it just the suit? I’m sure she’s been way too busy and stressed out to eat, lol.

And there you have it folks, the debate in a nutshell, my laptop kept busy for an entire 90 minutes, to bring it straight to you. Just too bad it's 4 days later, lol.

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